Measuring Medtronic (MDT): Part 2

January 22, 2010


– Medtronic (MDT) is a large medical technology and equipment company with $14.6 B in revenues last year.  MDT currently operates in seven segments:

 ** Cardiac Rhythm Disease Management (34% of FY 09 revenues: pace-makers and implantable defibrillators);

 ** Spinal (23%: artificial spinal discs);

 ** Cardiovascular (17%: heart valves, stents);  

 ** Neuromodulation (10%: neurological and urological devices);

 ** Diabetes (8%: insulin pumps);

 ** Surgical Technologies (6%: minimally invasive ENT products);

 ** Physio-Control (2%: defibrillators for hospitals and public access).

 – Medtronic was the Online Stock Study for January 2010 at the Better Investing website.  It was led by Avi Horwitz, a Director of the BI Volunteer Board and was different from prior studies in several respects:

** Avi used his completed SSG as the primary reference for polling the study participants, neither MDT’s business nor participant voting was set forth in the study’s Presentation Slides, and (sadly) there was no Consensus SSG.

 ** Questions about the Study may be answered by the recorded session which is not available at this time.  Sooooo, I decided to discuss MDT in more depth (including its quality, competitors, and legal battles) and this post is longer than usual as a result.

Discussion:

– The table below compares Avi’s completed SSG with two of mine and with Take Stock.  Armin-1 was part of “Measuring Medtronic”, a post I did here in September 2009, while Armin-2 is current.  Take Stock is a computerized one-click program at the Stock Central website that is designed to produce a conservative result.

Medtronic          (MDT) Avi’s SSG Armin-2           (new) Armin-1          (old) Take Stock
Date 12-23-09 1-8-10 9-23-09 1-8-10
Data S&P Same Same Hemscott-Morningstar
Price $44.40 $45.99 $32.04 $45.75
52 week High & Low Price $44.43 & $24.06 $45.81 &          Same $52.97 & Same Not Included
Last Q of Reported Data Q2 ending       10-31-09 Same Q1 ending      7-31-09 Q2 ending          10-31-09
Software Used TK5 Same Same Online TS
 
Project Growth From End of Last FY Last Q Same Last FY
Sales Growth 9.00% 10.00% Same 7.90%
EPS Growth 8.90%     (from PP) 10.00% Same 7.90%
High PE 18.0 20.4                  (from 2008) Same 23.1
High EPS $4.29 $4.67 $4.56 $4.65
High Price $77.20 $95.30 $93.00 $107.19

Value Line Estimated High Price = $80-100 as of 11-27-09

Low PE 9.0 8.6                     (from 2008) Same 17.3
Low EPS $2.90 (ttm) Same $2.83 (ttm) $3.29
Low Price $26.10            (low EPS x       low PE) $24.30               (low EPS x        low PE) $22.20     (60% x curr price) $56.82                 (higher than current  price)
Upside/Down 1.8 2.3 3.8 Impossible to Calculate
Total Return 12.8% 11.6% 21.1% 20.2%
 
SSG Buy Under N/A $42.05 N/A $57.49
RV/PRV 72.5/66.6        (no outliers) 87.8/79.7           (04 & 05 out) 72.4/65.7 (same) Not Included
RV/PRV                (no outliers) 72.5/66.6 75.4/68.3 N/A Not Included
Quality N/A S&P = A- S&P = A- TS = 3.2 unacceptable
 
PTPM – 5 yr ave 30.00%   trend down Same Same 30.50%              trend N/A
ROE – 5 yr ave     Ending Equity 24.70%           trend even Same Same Not Included
ROE – 5 yr ave    Starting  Equity N/A 26.90%             trend even Same 28.50%                     trend N/A
Debt to Equity – 5 yr ave N/A 46.10%             trend up Same Not Included

(1) Future Growth Projected From:

– SSG Software allows us to project future growth from the end of the last Fiscal Year, the last Quarter, or the Trend Line.  The Online SSG only projects growth from the end of the last FY.

– Avi’s SSG used the Toolkit 5 software, not the Online SSG, but chose to project growth from the last FY.  Armin-1 and Armin-2, on the other hand, projected from the last Q.

 (2) Estimating Future Sales Growth:

– Avi’s SSG estimated 9.00% Sales growth and offered the study participants five choices to make their estimate: much higher, at least 13.00%; a little higher, 10-12%; 9.00%, seems good; a little lower, 6-8.00%; and no higher than 5.5%.

** Morningstar was estimating 6.00% Sales growth through FY 2014 and Zacks.com 9.57% for the next 5 years, neither of which Avi mentioned.  The Presentation Slides also don’t explain why Avi estimated 9.00%.

[** The recorded session, which became available after I posted this write-up, reveals that Avi’s 9.00% estimate was based on MDT’s recent sales growth (8.00% last FY, 7.5% last Q) plus a little extra to reflect his optimism.] 

(3) Estimating Future EPS Growth:

Consensus SSG & Avi SSG

– Avi used the NAIC/BI Preferred Procedure to estimate future EPS growth and the PP involves four estimates for the next 5 years: Sales Growth [less] Pre-Tax Profit Margin [less] Taxes [divided by] Shares Outstanding [equals] EPS growth. His PP worked out to be 8.90% and that was what he used for his SSG.

– To estimate future EPS growth, Avi offered four choices to the participants: much higher than his estimate, at least 13.00% (the ten-year historical growth rate); a little higher, 10-13.00% (the S&P estimate was $4.76 or 11.00%); 8.90%, Avi’s estimate; and no higher than 8.00%. 

Armin’s SSGs 

– When I did Armin-2, the seven analysts I always check were closely estimating long-term EPS, averaging 10.90% with Zacks.com high at 11.18% and Value Line low at 10.50%.  That’s a very small spread of .68% between the highest and lowest of the seven estimates.

– The 10.90% average was slightly higher than when I did Armin-1 three months earlier.   Armin-1 estimated 10.00% EPS and I decided to use the same for Armin-2.

– For how I estimate EPS for all my SSGs, see Estimating EPS.

(4) Forecasting Future High and Low PEs:

Avi’s SSG

– Avi used 18.0 as his Forecast High PE (down from the historical average of 24.5) and 9.0 as his Forecast Low PE (down from the 11.8 average), and gave the group three choices for their forecast: too high, too low, or just about right.

** The Presentation Slides do not indicate how Avi determined his 18.0 & 9.0.  Slide 54 does show that both High & Low PEs have been trending down each year for the last 5 years with 2008 the lowest at 20.4 & 8.6.

Armin’s SSGs

– Armin-1 and Armin-2 both used 20.4 & 8.6 as the Forecast High & Low PEs, from 2008 and the lowest PEs in the last 5 years.

** When PEs are trending down, I most often use the lowest High and Low PEs in the last 5 years (and when trends are up, I usually begin with TK 5’s Alt-M command, especially when I know nothing about the company).

(5) Final Results:

Avi’s SSG

– His Forecast High Price in the next 5 years (Forecast High PE x High EPS) was $77.20, slightly below the low end of Value Line’s estimated $80-100 High Price.

** I never want to substantially exceed or fall below VL’s estimate, at least not without a very good reason.  For how I determine what’s reasonable for my SSGs, see: Determining What’s Reasonable and What’s Not: An Update.

– Avi got an Upside/Downside Ratio of 1.8 which does not satisfy the minimum SSG Buy criteria of 3.0.  His Total Return was 12.8% which does not satisfy the second, minimum Buy criteria of 15.0%.

[** The recorded session also reveals that the Consensus agreed with each one of Avi’s 5 judgments (Sales and EPS growth, High & Low PEs, and Low Price), perhaps largely because Avi labeled each one as “seems good” or “just about right.”]

[** And, at the very end of the recording, Avi reveals that his SSG was probably “a little too conservative.”]

Armin’s SSGs

– Armin-1 got a 3.8 U/D and a 21.1% TR which do satisfy the SSG Buy criteria.  However, Armin-2, with essentially the same judgments, got a 2.3 U/D and an 11.6% TR which do not satisfy the minimum Buy criteria.

– The reason for this dramatic change is that MDT’s price increased from $32.04 in Armin-1 to $45.99 in Armin-2, up some $13.95 or 43% per share in three months.

Take Stock

– Take Stock got a $107.14 Forecast High Price that was slightly higher than the high end of VL’s estimated High Price of $80-100.

– However, it’s Forecast Low Price was $56.82 and substantially exceeded MDT’s current price of $45.75.  This is a SSG NO-NO according to the BI/NAIC SSG Manual, but this is one of several issues where Take Stock is deliberately designed to be different.

** I think a Low Price that’s not low but high is a serious defect and, when it exceeds the stock’s current price, is especially nutsy!

(6) Quality:

– S&P rated MDT an A- for Quality which is third highest out of its 8 rankings.

– Take Stock gave MDT an unsatisfactory Quality Rating of 3.2 as a minimum of 3.4 is required to pass muster, 6.7 is desired and 10.0 is the max.

(7) Pre-Tax Profit Margin (PTPM) and Return on Equity (ROE):

PTPM

– MDT’s Pre-Tax Profit Margin is trending down which is usually a red-flag warning sign to consider abandoning the SSG.   Avi did not show this downtrend in the Presentation Slides, but did show it in the Extra Handout Slides.

** Avi did point out the so-called barbed-wire fence (Slide 49) which is not to be crossed if the company’s Quality is questionable. Why he crossed the barbed-wire fence was not explained.

– However, I determined that MDT’s PTPM is way better than its industry average using S&P data (30.0% vs 15.9%, Health Care Equipment industry) and also way better with Hemscott/Morningstar data (30.0% vs 16.2%, Medical Appliances & Equipment industry).  Moreover, MDT ranks 8 out of 118 companies with Hemscott data. 

** Soooooo, I would not cease any analysis just because of MDT’s PTPM trend.

– To learn more about using Industry Info, see: Investigating Industry Info.

 ROE

– No problems are indicated by the ROE trends as they are even and not going down.  Although MDT is better than its industry average with S&P data (24.7% vs 13.3%), it is well below its industry average with Hemscott/Morningstar data (26.2% vs 68.7%).  Here, the problem is the industry average, not MDT.

** The Hemscott/Morningstar industry average is distorted by one company (KCI, 2430% ROE) and when that one company is removed, MDT is much better than the adjusted industry average (26.2% vs 16.2%). 

** Hemscott data at the StockCentral website allows us to easily spot outliers and adjust any industry average because it includes the data for each company in the industry as well as the industry averages.

(8) Competitors:

– According to YahooFinance and Hoovers.com, MDT’s direct competitors are BSX, JNJ and STJ.

– MDT’s latest 10K report lists competitors in each of its seven segments and BSX, JNJ and STJ are mentioned most often:

** BSX and STJ in the CRDM segment; JNJ in spinal; BSX and JNJ in cardiovascular; BSX and STJ in neuromodulation; JNJ in diabetes; and JNJ in surgical technologies.

(9) Legal Problems:

– In October 2007, MDT volintarily stopped the worldwide sale and distribution off its Sprint Fidelis leads which the FDA classified as a Class 1 recall.  Leads are sophisticated wires that directly connect the heart to a defibrillator.  Some Fidelis leads had broken and been involved in unnecessary shocks and at least 16 deaths acknowledged by MDT.

** By August 2009, according to MDT’s latest 10K report, some 1250 lawsuits had been filed against the company including 37 class actions involving 2300 individual personal injury cases.  These suits seek money damages and allege negligence, breach of warranty and other claims.

– In October 2009, after MDT’s 10K had been filed, a Hennepin County (MN) court dismissed 600 of these suits.  Its ruling was based on a 2008 US Supreme Court decision that federal law, the Medical Device Amendments of 1976,  explicitly preempts and essentially prohibits litigation after the FDA has approved a medical device as safe and effective following a full review.

** An article in the New England Journal of Medicine summarized the meaning of this Supreme Court decision: “Patients injured by poorly designed but FDA-approved medical devices now have no recourse.” [emphasis added]

– If you’re interested in learning more about MDT’s other legal problems as well as its business and growth plans, checkout my 10/3/09 post: Measuring Medtronic (MDT)

Armin

*** [I’d appreciate some feedback about this post, especially if you think it’s too long. Other suggestions, of course, are also welcome] *** 

 

7 Responses to “Measuring Medtronic (MDT): Part 2”

  1. Eric Resweber said

    Armin,

    This sentence caught my interest:

    Morningstar was estimating 6.00% Sales growth through FY 2014 and Zacks.com 9.57% for the next 5 years

    I use Morningstar and Value Line estimates for sales growth but was not aware of Zacks as a source. I checked the website but couldn’t find a confirmation that Zacks sales estimate if for the next 5 years and not just for the next one year. Can you confirm that for me?

    It sure would be nice to have another source for 5 year sales estimates.

    Thanks.

    Eric

    • arminfields said

      Hey Eric:

      (1) I “deduced” that the Sales estimate from Zacks was for the next 5 years.

      On its Estimates page today, Zacks says that MDT’s Expected Earnings Growth is 11.18% and that its Expected Sales Growth is 9.57%. Lower down on the same page, Zacks says that MDT’s Earnings Growth Estimate for the next 5 years is 11.2% (11.18% rounded).

      Sooooo, I concluded that both the EPS and Sales estimate are for the same five year period.

      – If you’re not satisfied with my reasoning, you could ask Zacks via e-mail. If you do, please let me know what they say.

      (2) Be careful using Value Line for a Sales estimate. VL’s annual rates box makes a Sales per Share estimate which is not the same as a Sales estimate. However, you can imply a Sales growth rate from VL’s dollar data, but there are two possible methods to use: VL’s unique method and the traditional method. Both produce different results.

      – When I made the effort, I used both methods and expressed them as a range from “X” to “Y”. However, I no longer make the effort because I’ve stopped using the Preferred Procedure.

      Armin

      • Eric Resweber said

        Armin,

        I took your suggestion and asked Zacks.com about their sales estimates. I was told that they are indeed 5 year estimates. So I’ll be adding that to my analysis for sure.

        As for the Value Line sales estimates, I like to record two figures from the Value Line page. The annual rates box on the left side of the page, which are sales per share as you pointed out, can be estimates for anywhere from 4 to 8 years out. On the current Medtronic page it is “Est’d ’06-’08 to ’12-’14”. That’s a pretty vague estimate.

        I also like to calculate a sales growth rate using Value Lines estimate for sales in the far right column and the most current annual sales figure. Again, this is for a spread of usually 3-5 years.

        I record both of these figures on a spreadsheet I keep on each company. I don’t base my projections on these because they are so vague. Instead, I keep track of the trends of Value Line’s estimates. I find that helpful to make adjustments in my sales estimates as I update my SSG’s.

        I’ll be adding a row on my spreadsheets for Zacks estimates now.

        Eric

      • arminfields said

        Eric:
        Thanks so much for the feedback.

        A few thoughts on Value Line: For every company I SSG, I keep track of the seven EPS estimates I collect, looking for trends, and have noticed that VL is often one of the extremes, either the highest or the lowest. I attribute this to the single VL analyst per company compared to the several at Reuters and at CNN. Sometimes, VL is so off-the-wall that I eliminate it as an outlier from the overall average I create.

        Are you concerned about these Sales growth estimates because you are using the Preferred Procedure? You may not agree with me about the PP, (https://arminfields.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/pondering-the-preferred-procedure), but I hope you compare your final PP result with what the analysts are estimating for long-term EPS.

        Armin

      • Eric Resweber said

        Armin,

        I’ve noticed the same thing about Value Line’s EPS estimates often being very different from other sources.

        Yes, I do use the Preferred Procedure, but that’s only one more piece of data I record. I don’t rely heavily on it alone to make my judgements. I agree with you that there are too many variables. I try to use conservative estimates of sales growth, expenses, tax rate, and number of shares. I realize only a small change in any one of them can make a big difference in the final EPS growth rate.

        But I add my preferred procedure result to my list of other estimates and look at all of them together before deciding on an EPS estimate. Since I keep all this data in a spreadsheet, I also look for trends over time.

        My spreadsheet and my process are constantly evolving.

        Eric

  2. Joan Connacher said

    Thanks, Armin.
    I appreciate your analysis and follow up with Avi’s presentation. Explaning your thought processes was helpful as was the info on Zacks. I did not know they made 5 year projections.
    I have some shares of MDT and had been considering buying more. I’m just holding for now as I also own JNJ.
    Joan

    • arminfields said

      Thanks Joan:

      I appreciate your kind words.

      Will you use a SSG to decide to buy more MDT (or to sell it)? If you use SSGs a lot, check out
      Estimating EPS
      , https://arminfields.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/estimating-eps/

      Cisco will be the next Online Stock Study at the BI website (in a few days). As you might know, I like these studies a lot, but lately they have been disappointing: the last 2-3 have not produced a Consensus SSG and the recordings have been long delayed.

      Please visit again: CHD and CSCO should be my next posts and I try to do one every three weeks or so.

      Armin

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