Evaluating EPS Estimates
October 19, 2010
For several years, I’ve been tracking long-term EPS estimates by 7 different analysts, from:
- CNNMoney via FactSet CallStreet (next 5 years),
- YahooFinance via Thomson Reuters (next 5 years),
- Zacks.com (next 5 years),
- Reuters.com (unspecified long term),
- Morningstar via FactSet (next 5 years),
- Value Line (next 3-5 years), and
- S&P via BI data subscription (next 5 years)
Here are examples of these estimates for six companies: Qualcomm (QCOM), Johnson & Johnson (JNJ), Costco (COST), Microsoft (MSFT), Walgreen (WAG), and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ). The estimates go back 7 or so quarters and allow us to see which is most often high, or low, or out-of-whack, and how much they differ from each other on the same date.
Two trends are immediately obvious in the table below:
- The many negative values (in red) by Take Stock, an on-line program at the StockCentral website, and how they are radically different from the seven mainstream EPS estimates;
- Value Line’s 6-7 estimates for QCOM, COST and WAG are all consistently low.
| LONG TERM EPS ESTIMATES in % (and low & high estimates by date) | |||||||||
| CNN Money | Yahoo Finance | Zacks | Reuters | Mstar | Value Line | S&P | AVER-AGE | Take Stock | |
| QCOM | |||||||||
| 10-10-10 | 15.00 | 16.94 | 17.63 | 15.57 | 17.90 high | 6.00 low | 15.00 | 14.86 | -16.20 |
| 06-22-10 | 15.00 | 19.22 high | 17.60 | 15.80 | 16.90 | 5.50 low | 16.50 | 15.22 | -16.20 |
| 03-23-10 | 16.00 | 19.86 high | 17.63 | 16.27 | 17.50 | 5.50 low | N/A | 15.46 | -16.20 |
| 12-06-09 | 17.00 | 17.30 | 18.81 high | 17.04 | 17.90 | 6.00 low | N/A | 15.68 | -16.20 |
| 09-22-09 | 15.00 | 14.46 | 16.23 high | 15.61 | XXXXX | 6.00 low | 14.00 | 13.55 | -02.00 |
| 06-22-09 | 15.00 | 13.14 | 15.95 high | 15.31 | XXXXX | 6.00 low | 15.00 | 13.40 | -02.00 |
| 03-29-09 | 16.00 high | 11.75 | 14.70 | 15.45 | XXXXX | 6.00 low | 15.00 | 13.15 | -02.00 |
| JNJ | |||||||||
| 08-23-10 | 6.00 low | 6.43 | 6.26 | 6.69 | 6.80 | 7.00 high | 6.20 | 6.48 | 1.40 start -2.74 end |
| 05-31-10 | 7.00 | 6.98 | 7.47 | 7.34 | 7.20 | 8.00 high | 6.80 low | 7.26 | -2.70 strt -2.74 end |
| 02-20-10 | 7.00 | 6.97 | 7.63 | 7.26 | 6.70 low | 8.00 high | N/A | 7.26 | 4.20 |
| 10-16-09 | 7.00 lo-tie | 7.68 | 7.98 high | 7.20 | XXXXX | 7.00 lo-tie | 7.50 | 7.39 | 4.20 |
| 08-24-09 | 6.00 low | 8.13 | 8.26 | 8.42 high | XXXXX | 7.00 | N/A | 7.56 | 4.20 |
| 02-24-09 | 6.00 low | 8.38 | 9.73 high | 9.50 | XXXXX | 7.50 | 7.30 | 8.07 | 4.80 |
| COST | |||||||||
| 08-21-10 | 13.00 | 12.95 | 13.22 high | 12.86 | 12.80 | 7.50 low | 12.80 | 12.17 | -11.30 |
| 05-16-10 | 12.00 | 13.12 | 13.50 high | 12.90 | 12.00 | 7.50 low | 13.00 | 12.00 | -11.30 |
| 02-01-10 | 13.00 | 13.46 | 13.52 high | 13.02 | 12.10 | 7.50 low | 13.00 | 12.23 | -11.30 |
| 08-09-09 | 13.00 high | 11.55 | 11.61 | 11.50 | XXXXX | 5.50 low | N/A | 10.63 | 9.10 |
| 05-04-09 | 13.00 high | 12.25 | 12.39 | 12.11 | XXXXX | 5.50 low | 12.90 | 11.36 | 9.10 |
| 02-05-09 | 13.00 hi-tie | 12.89 | 12.14 | 12.62 | XXXXX | 9.00 low | 13.00 hi-tie | 12.11 | 9.10 |
| 11-04-08 | 13.00 | 13.08 | 12.60 | 12.80 | XXXXX | 11.00 low | 14.00 high | 12.75 | N/A |
| CNN Money | Yahoo Finance | Zacks | Reuters | Mstar | Value Line | S&P | AVER-AGE | Take Stock | |
| MSFT | |||||||||
| 08-16-10 | 12.40 | 10.37 low | 11.69 | 11.76 | 12.00 | 12.50 high | 12.00 | 11.82 | 5.40 start 0.96 end |
| 05-17-10 | 12.00 high | 08.55 low | 11.40 | 11.23 | 10.90 | 10.50 | 10.00 | 10.65 | -11.00 |
| 02-16-10 | 12.00 high | 11.40 | 11.48 | 11.42 | 11.00 | 10.00 low | 11.00 | 11.19 | -11.00 |
| 11-18-09 | 11.00 | 11.14 hi-tie | 11.09 | 11.14 hi-tie | 10.90 | 10.00 low | N/A | 10.88 | -11.00 |
| 08-18-09 | 11.00 | 10.17 | 10.62 | 10.61 | XXXXX | 10.00 low | 12.00 high | 10.73 | -11.00 |
| 06-04-09 | 11.00 | 10.32 | 11.44 | 10.61 | XXXXX | 10.00 low | 12.00 high | 10.90 | 9.30 |
| 02-17-09 | 11.00 | 10.22 low | 11.14 | 10.70 | XXXXX | 12.00 high | 11.00 | 11.81 | 9.30 |
| WAG | |||||||||
| 10-03-10 | 15.00 high | 12.95 | 13.14 | 13.16 | 13.00 | 08.50 low | 13.00 | 12.68 | -06.00 |
| 08-02-10 | 13.50 | 13.29 | 13.14 | 13.42 | 13.60 high | 09.00 low | 15.00 | 12.78 | -06.00 |
| 07-06-10 | 14.00 high | 13.87 | 13.75 | 13.90 | 13.80 | 10.00 low | 13.50 | 13.12 | -06.00 |
| 12-20-09 | 14.00 high | 14.22 | 14.25 | 13.92 | 13.30 | 10.50 low | 13.50 | 13.52 | 06.80 |
| 11-20-09 | 14.00 high | 12.55 | 13.63 | 13.10 | XXXXX | 09.50 low | 13.50 | 13.05 | 06.80 |
| 06-25-09 | 15.00 high | 12.00 | 13.03 | 12.89 | XXXXX | 08.50 low | 13.50 | 12.49 | 06.80 |
| 03-23-09 | 14.00 high | 11.55 | 12.86 | 12.61 | XXXXX | 07.50 low | 13.50 | 12.00 | 06.80 |
| HPQ | |||||||||
| 10-05-10 | 10.80 high | 10.00 | 10.00 | 10.40 | 7.40 low | 10.50 | 10.00 | 09.96 | 0.10 start -4.41 end |
| 07-07-10 | 10.00 | 12.00 | 12.33 high | 11.50 | 08.80 low | 10.50 | 11.50 | 10.95 | 0.10 start -4.41 end |
| 06-25-10 | 10.00 | 12.00 | 12.33 | 11.50 | 08.80 low | 09.50 | 13.00 high | 11.02 | 0.10 start -4.41 end |
| 01-10-10 | 10.00 | 10.29 | 15.53 high | 11.55 | 11.10 | 09.50 low | 10.00 | 11.14 | -3.10 strt -4.41 end |
| 10-14-09 | 14.00 | 10.06 | 14.03 high | 12.20 | XXXXX | 09.00 low | N/A | 11.86 | 9.40 start 5.08 end |
| 07-14-09 | 12.00 | 11.06 | 10.00 | 11.00 | XXXXX | 09.00 low | 12.50 high | 11.11 | 9.40 start 5.08 end |
| 04-07-09 | 12.80 high | 11.06 | 10.81 | 11.35 | XXXXX | 09.00 low | N/A | 11.00 | 9.40 start 5.08 end |
| 01-06-09 | 14.00 high | 13.50 | 12.08 low | 12.90 | XXXXX | 13.00 | 12.50 | 13.00 | 9.40 start 5.08 end |
Observations/Conclusions:
(1) I omitted Take Stock from the averages because, compared to the seven mainstream estimates, it was radically different and outrageously low. Consider:
** The latest seven estimates for COST ranged from a low of 7.50% to a high of 13.22% and averaged 12.17% whereas Take Stock was an untrustworthy -11.30% (that’s a negative or minus 11.30% for the next 5 years);
** For JNJ, the latest seven estimates were very close, ranging from 6.00% low to 7.00% high and averaging 6.48%, while Take Stock was – 2.74% (a spread of nearly 9% between the very lowest estimate and Take Stock);
** For QCOM, the average of the seven was 14.87% this October with 17.90% high and 6.00% low whereas Take Stock was a whopping -16.20%.
(2) I’ve noticed that Value Line is often at the far end (either high or low) of the many estimates I try to follow.
** For JNJ’s last three quarters, VL was the highest estimate; for QCOM, COST and WAG, it was consistently the lowest for all seven quarters; and for MSFT, its estimate was high three times and low four times.
** VL’s latest estimate for COST was so low (7.50% vs 12.17% average) that I was tempted to eliminate it from the average as an outlier.
(3) Morningstar, which also provides SSG data to StockCentral, had 2 high and 4 low estimates (3 for HPQ) out of 29 total. Mstar does not make its own EPS estimates, but gets them from FactSet.
(4) Reuters had no high or low estimates for COST and WAG while VL was consistently low for both. Out of 29 estimates total, Reuters was high only twice and never low.
(5) Reuters is the only one of the seven estimates that provides additional details and useful context: it includes the number of analysts contributing to its consensus and the high as well as low estimates. For example:
** Reuters’ latest estimate for MSFT was 11.76% with 11 analysts contributing and they ranged from 15.0% high to 8.0% low. Eleven analysts provides some confidence that the consensus is firmly based and, with no further research, anything less than 6-8% seems too low by comparison.
** In 2009, for WAG, Reuters was estimating 13.00% rounded (12.89% actual) long-term EPS with 9 analysts contributing and they ranged from 16% high to 10% low. Again, without further research, anything less than 8-10% seems unjustly low.
(6) There are several reasons to check more than one analyst: we can learn which may be out-of-whack, which is the lowest, and we can compare the average to the lowest and also to the very lowest at Reuters to judge what constitutes a reasonably conservative estimate.
(7) If I had to rely on only one EPS estimate, it would be Reuters because it has more useful data than any other data provider and the fewest extremes
(8) And, as you might already know, the Research Links page at StockCentral offers long-term EPS estimates from five of the seven different analysts I always try to check (all but VL and S&P). For info on StockCentral and other websites I use all the time, see my Favorite Links page.
(9) I’m interested in long-term EPS estimates only because each SSG requires an EPS estimate for the next 5 years. My main concern for this research was to obtain the best EPS guidance I can find to help me complete my SSGs. For more on how I estimate long-term EPS, see: Estimating EPS.
Armin
PS: The table was a nightmare to prepare and proof so please let me know if you find any typos. Of course, any and all comments are greatly appreciated as are your ratings on the star scale below (just mouse-over and click).
Appreciate it!
Thanks Mary, I appreciate your thoughfulness.
Armin
Armin : i enjoyed reading this page, however i found it hard to read some of your old articals of 2008–2009. do you update now ? what i find hard to come up with is an average yes that is hard for me. thanks keep up the good work. r. wardzala
Hi Richard:
Thanks for your kind words.
My older articles are harder to get to because I never created a “blue link” to them on my home page. Let me know which you want to read and I will create the link. And no, I will not be updating the oldies.
Here’s how I calculated all the averages: for each line in my table, I wrote down all the estimates in a column; used my $5 hand-held calculator to carefully add them up (twice, to make sure I got the same answer); and then divided by the number of estimates (usually 7, sometimes 5 or 6).
You might try this only a few times to see if you get the same average as I got.
Lastly, be sure to read one or more of my latest posts on a particular company and let me know what you think.
Armin
Armin, I’m glad to see this topic come up as conversation again. I was planning on giving you kudos in the upcoming December online stock study I’m doing for BetterInvesting.
If you don’t mind, that is.
Pat
Hey Pat:
I loves kudos , I don’t mind at all.
What stock are you SSGing in December?
As you may know, many of the posts on my blog compare the SSG from the monthly stock study with 1 or 2 SSGs by me and by Take Stock. I might use your completed study if you don’t mind.
The monthly stock study is one of my favorite BI features. It’s an excellent learning tool and, on the blog, I always encourage people to check it out.
Have you noticed that BI has not published the SSG and/or the recorded session for many, if not most, of the 2010 monthly stock studies? That means that no one can fully benefit after the fact.
Is there anything you can do to help correct this situation?
I have listened to most of the monthly stock studies and the most valuable feature to me is the different judgment choices offered by the presenters. Some are very creative, others are humdrum. I hoping yours will be super!
If you prefer, you could e-mail me via the Better Investing discussion list (just click my name in any post of mine).
Armin
Why are the Take Stock estimates so low in many situations , Armin?
Hey Pete:
There are at least 2 reasons why Take Stock estimates are so very low: they are backward looking and are based solely on historical performance, and they use a calculation formula that is deliberately designed to be ultra conservative and that also penalizes any slip-ups in performance.
Today, Take Stock gave an unacceptable or failing grade to 97% of all stocks (7254 out of 7466) with 56% or 4041 getting a big-fat zero on a ten point scale with 3.2 needed to pass. These are quality ratings that are based largely on EPS performance.
A third reason might be that Take Stock is designed to fail all but a handful of stocks and it does so by making EPS estimates that are unreasonably low (and are therefore untrustworthy).
Armin